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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:05 am

i also seem to be regulaly abandoned by the group or left behind when fighting

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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:16 am

Tigrim wrote:
Of course what Mick says is correct, but there's also another scenario possible, e.g. in a group with a "spare" champion.

This one could easily work as off-tank, aka pulling away a few lesser mobs from the main tank or the softies, incase there's just too many of them for a single tank. (Possibly this was ment with "backup tank").

Since a champion uses heavy armor, with a proper healer in the back, he/she can tank quite okay in average situations. Especially seeing the nice damage amount this is great for crowds of lesser foes. But the lack of a shield and defensive ability will not make a champion last long in tough situations.


This is true..and how it usually goes with champ normally being the Main Assist. It is sort of tanking in itīs way too.
This has been discussed more properly in some other areas. (these fellowship roles have been discussed in so many of the classes sections, that canīt even remember in which on Laughing )

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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:16 am

Galatyer wrote:
i also seem to be regulaly abandoned by the group or left behind when fighting


Could you tell a bit more about this?
I mean how, when, why, at what circumstances?

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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:26 am

well some times when i get a group that follows the rules (sort of)you lot talk about and the tank aggros all mobs then i go after the weakest or the ranged then most of the time i end up on my own so far the worst time was against 5 mobs and the rest of the group said i could deal with it and buggered off to get more nut then i do also seem to end up in a lot of groups with the 'not so rare' cowardly guardian

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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:30 am

Sounds like these groups consisted of rather unexperienced players, which is quite common at lower levels. You just have to live with it until your level raises and you later group up with more experienced players.

I suffered alot from that too, especially since as guardian I am at highest risk. But right now, being L37, I found that things improved alot. Actually it even seems that they like it if me - being tank - asks each class to act like this or that in the team, and people react very understanding.

Summary: Your observations are pretty normal, things get better later.
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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:58 am

Spot on Tigrim.
That is quite common behaviour in low-level groups Galatyer.
And nothing wrong with it really. You learn by doing and making mistakes. (Naturally it can be as irritating as hell when there are some people that just wonīt listen and donīt want to take any adivce at all.)
But the fact that they are leaving you on your own doesnīt seem right to me.
If you canīt get them do things like youīd like to, better just do things like they like it. This way at least you donīt get the blame Wink

In my experience people start to learn about tactics of fellowshipping from 30-35 upwards, when fellowship quests start to get a bit harder and you have to fight against more than just few normal elites at a time.

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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:10 pm

Marlon wrote:
If you canīt get them do things like youīd like to, better just do things like they like it. This way at least you donīt get the blame Wink


Myself, I don't like giving in to others if they demand wrong things. So once a while - if not only they don't care for proper advice but also demand stupid things from me (as tank being at highest risk in a stupid group!) - I plainly tell them to learn the ropes, but I will not fund their fellowship-training with my repair costs. Afterall, a guardian has the highest repair costs of all classes, even without dieing.

But then, I know that I'm rather strict about people I teamup with. The friend list helps me to be selective.
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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:30 pm

Tigrim wrote:

But then, I know that I'm rather strict about people I teamup with. The friend list helps me to be selective.


Same here.
You normally get the feeling straight from the start, when joining a fellowship, how things are going to go. Donīt even have to have any action, just talking and listening and i normally get a good idea, what is to be expected when going getīs tough.

Luckily very high percentage of people in this game so far are very open and easygoing, good in giving and receiving adivices. Naturally there are the types who donīt give it a toss what you are telling, or asking them to do. But they normally tend to learn fast enough when shit really hits the fan the first time because of their reckless playing.

The problem for me is the types who tend to know evrything(and their knowledge is just bogus) and donīt pay any attention to what others have to say even how hard you try to convince them, that there really is a better or easier way of doing things.
In such situation I just shut my mouth and let the things go as they go.

But in every fellowship and every situation, good or bad, there always is something that one, even the most expereinced players, can learn.

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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:51 am

My opinnion about the attributes has changed a bit in these few past months...

Might is definately still the most important thing, but nowadays I try to focus on increasing both will and fate. Vitality is something that iīm not bothered at all at the moment.
As the questing at the moment for me is mainly(only) fellowship-based, it means that iīm usually always with a healer or tank. So either i get healed or donīt even get that much damage, so sod vitality i say!!
itīs the most lowest of my attributes by far. Itīs something like 146 at the moment. Youīll see even minstrels and lore-masters with higher Vitality than I have Laughing

Like I said earlier, Agility is good to have, though not really that important. But as the gear having Might in them, usually tend to have agility too, agility is my second highest attribute at the moment.
High agility has itīs definate benefits though...crit crit crit crit, so donīt really mind it being quite high.

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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:22 pm

well Marlon you can be happy now on the screen that come up when im loading the game just after the intro film it says that champs will be getting an upgrade this time

p.s marlon when i wrote that thing before it was because i was in a bad mood from the group abandoning me in the great barrow

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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:31 pm

Galatyer wrote:
well Marlon you can be happy now on the screen that come up when im loading the game just after the intro film it says that champs will be getting an upgrade this time


I know, but the upgrdades are nothing that special. Only a vit adjusting and such..nothing new like the gaurdians and burglaras are getting

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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:48 pm

oh guess we have to live off our natural skills then unlike that other lot Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:07 pm

Galatyer wrote:
oh guess we have to live off our natural skills then unlike that other lot Razz


yes, i know. Laughing
As i stated in the guardian topic already, champion was propably the most stable class in the first place, so there hasnīt been that much need to repair it.

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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:16 pm

well guys - look at it from the half full glass perspective:
The Champ was created as a perfect class and EVERY other class is being/has been/will be adjusted to it!

(with an exeption of minsterls of course. Everyone knows they need more DPS. And a God Mode)
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PostSubject: Re: Champion   Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:32 pm

...and when this patch will be released?

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